Mr. Brad Eagleson - M.N.R. A/Area Supervisor, Chapleau East , Ontario - The process of setting up a fish hatchery...

From :  Joel Theriault <theriaultjoel@hotmail.com>
Sent :  March 9, 2005 5:38:25 AM
To :  brad.eagleson@mnr.gov.on.ca
CC :  TheriaultJoel@hotmail.com
Subject :  FW: I: Walleye Hatchery
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Brad,

Looks like its you and I again... To follow up on Bob's email, here we go.

"Please speak with Mr. Eagleson and he will
be able to identify what information is required initially and the format it
is required in."

- What do you need me to supply?

"You may expect that a formal request from Air Ivanhoe is required if this is
being requested from the business owners."

- Fine.  I've spoken with my parents and their OK with it... Of course, I'll be filing the paper work and doing alot the set up for the jars for them because they're extremely busy trying to run a business.

"In regard to this proposal you will need to contact the Ministry of
Environment as they have a mandate in regard to this type of operation when
it references structures or cages in the water body."

- Speaking with John Reardon, former owner of Moose Land Resort, who happened to run a jar hatchery (and has saved all his materials for me), what we've decided was to hatch the eggs in jars on the mainland, using the current from the river to oxygenate the eggs, and then release them strait back into the lake.  There are no proposed holding tanks in the lake.  Do we need to contact the MOE?

"Much more information will be required before considering a decision."
- Agreed.  (Text Ommitted) we should be looking at methods to ensure the fishery remains healthy as to protect this valuable diversification of employment.  Any studies done by the MNR recently on the lake trout population?

What do you need from me?

"This is a way to ensure that adequate standards are met to prevent any harm
coming to the natural fishery and enabling confidence for a successful
endeavour. It would be a shame if a hatchery were to carry a disease and it
spread to the natural population ruining the very livelihood of a fishing
business for a period of time."
- Agreed.  Really happy i've got guys like John Reardon who sucessfully ran a small jar hatchery for many years, as well as your expert biologists to help out on the project.  Hopefully its a huge sucess and can be implemented on other systems as well.

SO BRAD, what's the next step?

Thanks a ton,

Joel Theriault
From :  <bob.johnston@mnr.gov.on.ca>
Sent :  March 8, 2005 6:45:29 PM
To :  theriaultjoel@hotmail.com
CC :  brad.eagleson@mnr.gov.on.ca, airivanhoe@aol.com, jj.vallee@mnr.gov.on.ca
Subject :  I: Walleye Hatchery
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Joel this item will be handled through Mr. Eagleson as per his message from
February 22, 2005 to you. Please ensure you follow up on this message and
deal with Brad. 


As a supporter of good resource management you understand the role of MNR.
The fishery sustainability, conservation, protection & preservation is part
of our mandate. Fast decisions are not, unfortunately, made as the
establishment of a hatchery and potential impacts to the fishery and
environment are very serious undertakings. 

The Ministry of Natural Resources requires that Air Ivanhoe or yourself
provide adequate information for review and will expedite the initial
decision but this will take time. Please speak with Mr. Eagleson and he will
be able to identify what information is required initially and the format it
is required in. 

You may expect that a formal request from Air Ivanhoe is required if this is
being requested from the business owners. If this is your personal request
and not part of Air Ivanhoe we will need to know this along with how and
where you are considering establishing a hatchery.

In regard to this proposal you will need to contact the Ministry of
Environment as they have a mandate in regard to this type of operation when
it references structures or cages in the water body. 

Much more information will be required before considering a decision. This
is a way to ensure that adequate standards are met to prevent any harm
coming to the natural fishery and enabling confidence for a successful
endeavour. It would be a shame if a hatchery were to carry a disease and it
spread to the natural population ruining the very livelihood of a fishing
business for a period of time.

For your information a recent analysis of the walleye population on
Nemegosenda Lake has found positive and normal populations.

Brad Eagleson will be able to steer you in the right direction and be
prepared as his note of Feb. 22nd to discuss this further and provide a
process for you to follow.

More information will be coming regarding the White Moose, Ducks species,
and the forestry company relationships. Good luck with your proposal and I
will be contact through email with both you and Air Ivanhoe Ltd. About other
questions that you have raised.

Bob Johnston
A District Manager
Chapelau District
Ministry of Natural Resources

-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Theriault [mailto:theriaultjoel@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 11:58 AM
To: bob.johnston@mnr.gov.on.ca; brad.eagleson@mnr.gov.on.ca
Cc: TheriaultJoel@hotmail.com
Subject: FW: RE: Walleye Hatchery

Hey guys,

Any developments regarding the Nemegosenda fish hatchery?  What can I be 
doing to make the process happen by May.  What did the biologists say?

Thanks,

Joel
From :  Joel Theriault <theriaultjoel@hotmail.com>
Sent :  March 8, 2005 4:57:38 PM
To :  bob.johnston@mnr.gov.on.ca, brad.eagleson@mnr.gov.on.ca
CC :  TheriaultJoel@hotmail.com
Subject :  FW: RE: Walleye Hatchery
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Hey guys,

Any developments regarding the Nemegosenda fish hatchery?  What can I be doing to make the process happen by May.  What did the biologists say?

Thanks,

Joel



    From: "Joel Theriault" <theriaultjoel@hotmail.com>
To: brad.eagleson@mnr.gov.on.ca
CC: TheriaultJoel@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Walleye Hatchery
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:07:15 +0000

Brad,

Thanks for the info.  Maybe you could ask the biologist (when he gets in) if he woudn't go for the idea that a small jar hatchery wouldn't hurt, and would help the fish population.

"You should realize that the process begins with establishing whether or not the proposed lake needs a stocking program or recruitment of some kind." - I'm not sure that any lake NEEDS to be stocked, but at the same time, I don't think i'm suggesting conventional stocking.  I'm just looking for a way to put the eggs and sperm back into the system, like nature intended.  Also, i'm thinking that when Moose Land ran a hatchery, they were putting most of the fry into the slate rock / singed tree chain of lakes, but it seemingly had a healthy walleye population.

Nem, just like most of the other lakes in N. Ontario, has its walleye population targeted by anglers, resulting in an unnatural selection of fish to be removed from the sytem.  I'm not saying that the lake doesn't have a healthy walleye population, because I think it does.  I'm just saying that it seems really wasteful not to use the eggs and sperm from the walleye caught by anglers in the spring.  Nem is a really deep lake and so the spawning tends to happen a little later than most of the lakes in the area, so they're not always done by open season time.  So i'm not talking about moving fish from system to system, just completing the process for the fish that never completed natures task.

So when the new biologist gets into town, if you could ask him his thoughts (or have him email me) regarding this walleye hatchery, that would be great.

"There are alternatives such as enhancing spawning etc. but that would have to be looked at with the Biologist." - I'm looking at this type of stuff for a trout stream next to my house.  The old Ivanhoe river.  I've been reading up on cut away banks and interesting ways to raise the water table.  The river section holds trout, but only in very concentrated areas because most of it is so shallow.  The trout get the black parasites in the summer because the water's too warm (because its too shallow).  But i'll speak with the bio about his thoughts when he's online with the Chapleau district.

Thanks a ton Brad.  Definitely looking forward to working with you this summer on some fisheries and forestry projects.

Joel Theriault
From :  <brad.eagleson@mnr.gov.on.ca>
Sent :  February 23, 2005 5:33:35 PM
To :  theriaultjoel@hotmail.com
CC :  jj.vallee@mnr.gov.on.ca
Subject :  RE: New guy
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Hi Joel:   You should realize that the process begins with establishing
whether or not the proposed lake needs a stocking program or recruitment of
some kind. This could involve lake surveys, creel and whatever the Biologist
and Specialist feels necessary. The Environmental Assessment comes into play
with consultation and advertising etc. 
There are alternatives such as enhancing spawning etc. but that would have
to be looked at with the Biologist.
There were many of these small jar hatcheries started down south but many
have lost interest due to workload, poor results and limit to where stocking
can take place.
It is great that you are interested in helping out the fishery and hopefully
we can work together in the future.

Yes, Bill is working on a Foresty Project dealing with Forest Management
Planning, wood allocation and a few other projects.

We are just in the midst of hiring a new biologist ( Feb. 28/05) and look
forward to getting some projects started in the near future.

Bye for now

Brad

-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Theriault [mailto:theriaultjoel@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:51 AM
To: Eagleson, Brad (MNR)
Cc: AIRIVAN1@aol.com; TheriaultJoel@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: New guy

Brad,

Thats GREAT!!!  Unfortunately, due to distance barriers, I think we'll have 
to do some footwork through the internet if that's OK with you. I'm in 
School in Ottawa right now, and my parents are in Arizona.

"I would like to involve our Fish and Wildlife Specialist on the discussions

so that we may all realize what the process involves." - I'm thrilled to 
hear that the MNR could provide such valued help!!!


What information should I provide to you to keep the ball rolling?

Joel

Oh, is Bill Gutherie still located in Chapleau and working with the MNR?

From: brad.eagleson@mnr.gov.on.ca
To: theriaultjoel@hotmail.com
CC: bob.johnston@mnr.gov.on.ca
Subject: New guy
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:46:05 -0500



Hi Joel:  I am the new Area Supervisor in the Chapleau East Area and would
welcome the opportunity to meet over the proposal for a fish hatchery on
Nemogosenda Lake. I would like to involve our Fish and Wildlife Specialist
on the discussions so that we may all realize what the process involves.



Thanks



Brad Eagleson

A/Area Supervisor, Chapleau East
From :  Joel Theriault <theriaultjoel@hotmail.com>
Sent :  February 10, 2005 11:31:39 PM
To :  bob.johnston@mnr.gov.on.ca
CC :  TheriaultJoel@hotmail.com
Subject :  Fish Hatchery.
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Mr. Johnson,

Had a question about permits for a fish hatchery.  I've been speaking with John Reardon, who ran a hatchery at Moose Land Resort for many years about the possibility of opening a fish hatchery at Nemegosenda lake.  We were talking about using the roe and sperm from the fish which were caught during season and on fishing lines, and using the incomming river to keep the tanks oxygenated.  Basically hatching the walleye fry in the spring, and shooting them into the lake when their egg sacs were consumed.

What steps should I take to accomplish this type of task?

Thanks,

Joel Theriault